tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post2573091866234142631..comments2023-11-05T04:29:15.728-06:00Comments on The Seer Stone: The Seven Deadly Heresies, Part Three (Celestial Marriage)Evgeniihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05787950777870804904noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-68551606772267999422008-07-30T09:37:00.000-05:002008-07-30T09:37:00.000-05:00What a great quote by Holland! I wish more GA's w...What a great quote by Holland! I wish more GA's would be more blunt about matters of import.<BR/><BR/>I must say, that I have always felt that way, though. I remember my Father telling me before my mission that the subsequent 2 years would make me happier than I had ever been before, but also bring me the most pain. He was very right. <BR/><BR/>I distinctly recall once leaving a part-member family home and almost completely breaking down because of the animosity that the non-member part had against the Church. I am not an emotional guy, and I surprised myself at how distraught I actually felt deep inside.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13268015210205721725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-53570611377020232302008-07-29T15:10:00.000-05:002008-07-29T15:10:00.000-05:00Touche, I am glad you found that. I need to dig th...Touche, I am glad you found that. I need to dig the tape out and listen to that because the power he uses in that section is great. <BR/><BR/>Was this the substance of the talk he gave when the dedicated the building in Plovdiv and we were in Haskovo? If I remember correctly, there was a missionary only meetingas well? I think I remember that Elder Holland didn't know that the top part of the pulpit wasn't nailed down and he almost fell over.Evgeniihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05787950777870804904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-16673077394794456142008-07-29T13:24:00.000-05:002008-07-29T13:24:00.000-05:00That's funny, I was thinking of the exact same...That's funny, I was thinking of the exact same talk by Elder Holland when I was reading your post. He gave a very similar talk to us in Plovdiv when he came to visit (I don't remember if you were able to attend that meeting). <BR/><BR/>I think this is the talk you're thinking about:<BR/><BR/>http://lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&locale=0&sourceId=4ba7a1615ac0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&hideNav=1<BR/><BR/>I vividly remember this part:<BR/><BR/>"I have thought about this a great deal. I offer this as my personal feeling. I am convinced that missionary work is not easy because salvation is not a cheap experience. Salvation never was easy. We are The Church of Jesus Christ, this is the truth, and He is our Great Eternal Head. How could we believe it would be easy for us when it was never, ever easy for Him? It seems to me that missionaries and mission leaders have to spend at least a few moments in Gethsemane. Missionaries and mission leaders have to take at least a step or two toward the summit of Calvary.<BR/><BR/>Now, please don’t misunderstand. I’m not talking about anything anywhere near what Christ experienced. That would be presumptuous and sacrilegious. But I believe that missionaries and investigators, to come to the truth, to come to salvation, to know something of this price that has been paid, will have to pay a token of that same price."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-10687632853011571122008-07-28T17:38:00.000-05:002008-07-28T17:38:00.000-05:00Hi Andrew,I agree that this seems to be not too mu...Hi Andrew,<BR/><BR/>I agree that this seems to be not too much of a problem in the church now and it may from talks such as this and books like Robinson's "Believing Christ" have really reinforced the point. I don't know a member who would respond to the whole "grace" argument without saying, "after all we can do". <BR/><BR/>I still like Elder Holland's talk to Mission Presidents in 2000 where he goes into detail about why missionary work and life is difficult. I believe that this talk was published later in the Ensign but that parts were edited because he is pretty harsh on cheap grace. Our mission president let us make a copy because it really is a great talk. I'll see if I can find where it's at.Evgeniihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05787950777870804904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-67159761633426829382008-07-28T01:03:00.000-05:002008-07-28T01:03:00.000-05:00Hans, I've been reading your blog entries and thou...Hans, I've been reading your blog entries and thought I would chime in on this one.<BR/><BR/>There are few promises or gifts from the Lord that do not require a constant effort on our part. I'm happy to say that it's been my experience that many (if not most) members seem to have a firm grasp on this concept. To me, this heresy as decribed by Elder McConkie is not much different than those of other faiths who preach that in order to be saved you must simply utter the phrase that Jesus is Lord. It's as if they have ignored all other scripture! How gross an interpretation of the scriptures it is to think that salvation is that easy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com