tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post8084564062328631350..comments2023-11-05T04:29:15.728-06:00Comments on The Seer Stone: The Sealed Portion of the Gold PlatesEvgeniihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05787950777870804904noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-18972364424328887262013-12-24T04:56:06.248-06:002013-12-24T04:56:06.248-06:00Hey fellas, I see that this blog is quite old, but...Hey fellas, I see that this blog is quite old, but has a couple rather recent posts, so I hope I can add some insight, along with my own comment, and not be irrelevant to the discussion.<br /><br />I have read through this very long thread and have found it to be quite informative, but not really persuasive in any direction. I can safely say that Julie Taggart and Ida Smith were/are pretty sure that they have found all the answers to everyone's questions and that Nemelka is someone who is a legitimate replacement/extension for Christ. They both want to testify that they have found the truth and the truth has set them free, but neither of them is any freer than they were when they were Mormons. If they still follow Nemelka and his storyteling, then they are just as captivated by the legend of Joseph Smith as they have ever been. As for Nemelka, he is a first rate con-artist who has done very little to change the plight of humanity. He's produced millions of words preaching what he terms as "real truth" (as if there was a different kind of truth) but his words are his own truth, and they are forever subject to change. He is not intelligent enough to know that his works and his claims steal a person's free agency, and he doesn't comprehend that it is his lies and his false pretenses that keeps his victims bound down to him. He refuses to let them go, for he feeds on the praise and attention that they give him. He has (in my own opinion) been very consistent in his desire to destroy everything sacred to others, as well as proving time and again that he alone is God's true messenger.<br /><br />Nemelka is a coward in every sense of the word. He is a bold liar, and by that I mean he can look you in the eye and lie the perfect lie. He brags of bearing a perpetual smile, but this is not because he loves anyone, or because he is Christ-like, or because he has a humble spirit, it's because he thinks he's smarter than everyone. (arrogant)<br /><br />Myself, I can tell you how he was able to write his Sealed Portion, and get it to be so convincing to some. I can also tell you his whole life story from the beginning until now. There isn't much in his autobiography(s) that is true, and that's a fact.<br /><br />As for Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, I am not able to accept either as anything holy or worth considering. I have studied them both over the years and have concluded that there is too much controversy surrounding them to hold them dear. In fine, I believe Joseph Smith lied about his experience in the grove, and about having any gold plates, or having any visitations from anyone. When I picture Joseph fabricating his stories, (much the same way Nemelka does) I can laugh at the silliness of their imaginary friends and their imaginary Kingdoms of heaven, and their Highly Advanced/resurrected mentors and see right through their scams. <br /><br />Watching Julie present her facts about the Sealed Portion and Nemelka's divine calling as if it were even remotely possible is not fun to watch, especially since I know where it came from and how it became a quasi-plausible sequel to Joseph's book. (At least one that could be declared for real by someone sincere)<br /><br />By the same token, I am not relieved to see sincere mormons holding to their beliefs in their prophets so tightly either.<br /><br />There is quite alot of reality to behold when one stops living as if this life is only a worthiness test, and that there is a life after this one that matters more than this one. <br /><br />There is also a lot more peace.<br /><br />Just sayin'...Harry Dschaaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-56626725919076001612013-11-19T14:10:30.096-06:002013-11-19T14:10:30.096-06:003 Nephi 11:28
And according as I have commanded yo...3 Nephi 11:28<br />And according as I have commanded you thus shall ye baptize.<br />And there shall be no disputations among you, as there have<br />hitherto been; neither shall there be disputations among you<br />concerning the points of my doctrine, as there have hitherto<br />been.<br /><br />3 Nephi 11:29<br />For verily, verily I say unto you, he that hath the spirit of<br />contention is not of me, but is of the devil, who is the father<br />of contention, and he stirreth up the hearts of men to contend<br />with anger, one with another.<br /><br />The sealed portion has not been translated, nor will it be for a long time. Sorry you guys...The Lord told The Brother of Jared that it would NOT come fourth, until the Gentiles repented of their iniquity. And as of today, the Gentiles are far from repentant, but increase in wickedness and antichrist like beliefs, and behavior.<br />Also, the plates were taken from the earth, and the 116 pages that were lost, were destroyed by the Lord. I guess what I'm trying to say is...it would be pretty hard to translate from something that isn't here.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-36044712108114810232013-09-09T15:52:49.944-05:002013-09-09T15:52:49.944-05:00I am reading the books Nemelka wrote/translated. I...I am reading the books Nemelka wrote/translated. I haven't finished yet but one thing I'm sure: many important principles that Joseph taught (like consecration) were left behind by the members and are still left aside by the leaders. No poor among the members? Yes, there are, and still the rich in the church keep their money just inside their families. I saw more church's money spent in fun than in helping the needy. After all, the brother of Jared, that had the most amazing experience in the BoM says nothing about religion or baptism or temples. Not one word about it in the entire book of Ether (and that people was taught from the high). Reading D&C one can clearly see the difference between JS claims and the revelations from the brethren (that were 'received' when he was alive but not present and were published only after his death) and I can use as example the section at the end of D&C that explains the 'political position' of the church that one can compare with Joseph's presidential campaign. I am a truth seeker, that's how I started reading the BoM and also TSP. If you agree that Brigham was a prophet, keep in mind that he said that one must seek the truth wherever it is, even if it's in hell. I have to say that through intense study I found many things 'hidden' in the scriptures (that are not taught at the church) that are clearly explained in Nemelka's books and I found there many other precious things. <br /><br />The main lesson for me is that there is ONE law by which we all be judged: do unto others what we want to be done unto ourselves (this is THE law and the prophets). Everything else is blah blah blah. This is the main lesson. We all have different points of view at this moment but that lesson is undeniable. <br /><br />I hope we all find each day more truth in any path we decide to walk in and that it can lead us to happiness, because that's the purpose of our creation. Paulo Alfrino [Alf]https://www.blogger.com/profile/06767238916103727331noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-45541566999535377752011-02-18T19:23:31.994-06:002011-02-18T19:23:31.994-06:00Letting you know that you are all invited to come ...Letting you know that you are all invited to come to a symposium sponsored by Christopher, translator of the Sealed Portion of the Book of Mormon, Saturday March 19th at the SLC Main Library (210 E. 400 S) in the main theater from 10 AM to 4 PM. for more info visit: marvelouwworkandawonder.com <br /><br />Hopefully you'll take NO ONE's word for it, but see for yourself whether this man is who he claims to be or not. Below is my response to the City Weekly's article entitled "Sealed Fate":<br /><br />Didn't Do Your Homework<br />By City Weekly Readers<br /><br />Praise to City Weekly for its willingness to inform the world of The Sealed Portion when The Salt Lake Tribune and the Deseret News wouldn’t touch it with a 10-foot pole [“Sealed Fate,” Jan. 27, City Weekly]. But what a disservice Stephen Dark does to readers, the LDS community and the world for mocking the man who holds the only solution that could end the worldwide economic crisis.<br /><br />In preparation for the story, Dark was invited to peruse Human Reality: Who We Are and Why We Exist or find a flaw, if he could, in the comprehensive but simple plan that claims to eliminate poverty and inequality around the world, virtually overnight and in perpetuity. Either one of those pursuits, despite his atheistic and anti-religious views or personal contempt for the translator, had he kept an open mind, would have convinced him of the authenticity of his appointment and the realization that this is not another religion. It sets people free from the need to join with, follow, worship or trust anyone but oneself. Tragically, the assignment to do his homework and present it with objectivity wasn’t deemed significant enough for what I believe will one day prove to be the story of the century—especially in a state filled with people too intimidated to read anything but Deseret Book’s “priestcraft” wares.<br /><br />However, if you wanted more relevant sensationalism, you might have compared Christopher Nemelka’s works, all transparent and free, to the LDS Church that refuses to disclose its income to its own members (who can “rob the storehouse” except those who hold the keys to the coffers?). Or asked why engraved images are erected atop all its temples in violation of the Ten Commandments? Or why it sets up businesses (temples) around the world, then sends in its sales force (missionaries) to convince people they can’t have their Family Forever unless they pay 10 percent of their gross income to gain entrance? Why does the church build a multibillion-dollar mall but give a pittance of its gross income to help the poor and needy? As if that weren’t enough, the church continually hails its good deeds abroad despite President Thomas Monson’s own talk “See Thou Tell No One” on giving anonymously (Ensign June 1992). LDS leaders, with the utilization of their contacts, resources and influence around the world, could partner with the Worldwide United Foundation to implement the plan that would restore peace (and prosperity) on earth, good will toward (all) men—but for their hubris. Except that they “become as little children” with the humility and accept that this Divine Plan could not, did not and never will come through them, the world will continue to know poverty, destitution, starvation, war, crime and terrorism.<br /><br />Nemelka will hold a free symposium on March 19, 10 a.m.-4 p.m., at the Salt Lake City Public Library auditorium, for those who dare to think for themselves—all are invited to attend. Who can answer any question or solve any mystery with reality and common sense to the understanding of a little child? Pile that wood high, then douse it in water and prove you now herewith ye cowards, who dare not show your face, even en masse with all the brethren and your experts by your side, before this one man, who alone can withstand the force of a hurricane, the fierceness of many lions, or the hottest furnace, yet remain unscathed?<br /><br />Julie L. TaggartJulie L. Taggartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-11887113127412517142010-05-11T19:59:58.416-05:002010-05-11T19:59:58.416-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-85130042019150279622009-01-15T17:21:00.000-06:002009-01-15T17:21:00.000-06:00So long as individual are blinded by their percept...So long as individual are blinded by their perception of what is right or correct in their opinion and must hold others to that same opinion then the mortal world will never know true equalitly.<BR/><BR/>We are all different which makes us all the same.<BR/><BR/>Unless someone here is a pedophile then they cannot speak for a pedophile, unless they are homosexual they cannot speak for homosexuals, if you are not a car thief you cannot speak for a car thief, unless you are GOD you cannot speak for that paticular Advanced Human Being etc etc etc. <BR/><BR/>Equality is Equality. <BR/><BR/>If some here don't support the equality of ALL Human Lives then nothing more can be said. <BR/><BR/>Superiority has always been and will always be nothing more than a persons mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-31007923697250580562009-01-15T16:27:00.000-06:002009-01-15T16:27:00.000-06:00It also depends on a definition of "religion." I b...It also depends on a definition of "religion." I believe Rose <I>et al.</I> follow a particular religion, but I doubt they hold that same standard to their own. It really is nonsense to demand "equality to all," what about pedophiles and car thieves? Some claim that such things make them happy. In order to extend equality, perhaps we would allow them their right, live and let live, etc.BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-29443054188373008132009-01-15T16:25:00.000-06:002009-01-15T16:25:00.000-06:00"Not one person here can say that religion fosters..."Not one person here can say that religion fosters equality for ALL."<BR/><BR/>That depends on your definition of equality is. The second question is whether that coincides with God's definition.Evgeniihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05787950777870804904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-88728971668117637112009-01-15T16:23:00.000-06:002009-01-15T16:23:00.000-06:00I don't mind whether people think I'm apostate or ...I don't mind whether people think I'm apostate or upstanding, people are going to believe and validate in their own minds what they will.<BR/><BR/>Either way has no effect on my life whatsoever. I do believe in the exchange of ideas. Will all people always agree on every little detail- absolutely not. In my opinion that is the whole of the problems with this mortal world.<BR/><BR/>Not that people shouldn't have a difference of opinion but that ultimately the world family is going to have to come to some consensus of what is truly most important and I believe religions will have NO part of that general consensus. <BR/><BR/>What I believe to be most important truth humans can adhere to or regard is the golden rule. Live your life the way it makes you happy and allow all others the same.<BR/><BR/>Treat others as you would want to be treated. <BR/><BR/>There was mention of adversity being the thing we must overcome. Well the answer to world hunger, homelessness, war, poverty, disease, pride, predjudice etc etc can be overcome but not (in my opinion) by promoting religion.<BR/><BR/>The world will never be a more peaceful, happier or heavenly place until the world experiences complete equality among all its people. <BR/><BR/>Not one person here can say that religion fosters equality for ALL.<BR/><BR/>Scripture says God is "no respecter of persons" but religions certainly are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-50500270957137884072009-01-15T16:04:00.001-06:002009-01-15T16:04:00.001-06:00Hans said... Sorry, that will look out of place bu...Hans said... <BR/>Sorry, that will look out of place but I accidentally deleted my comment and had to place it back. It will make the last few comments a little out of place. <BR/><BR/>I agree, opposition does not a true religion make. Just as (financial) prosperity is not a true indication of righteousness.<BR/><BR/>January 15, 2009 3:33 PM<BR/><BR/><BR/>Rose: I simply took the words from the post above at 3:33 PM whether its Hans or Hodges make no difference to me. I simply agree that financial 666 prosperity is no true inidcation of righteousness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-47517557076883727402009-01-15T16:04:00.000-06:002009-01-15T16:04:00.000-06:00Hans said... Sorry, that will look out of place bu...Hans said... <BR/>Sorry, that will look out of place but I accidentally deleted my comment and had to place it back. It will make the last few comments a little out of place. <BR/><BR/>I agree, opposition does not a true religion make. Just as (financial) prosperity is not a true indication of righteousness.<BR/><BR/>January 15, 2009 3:33 PM<BR/><BR/><BR/>Rose: I simply took the words from the post above at 3:33 PM whether its Hans or Hodges make no difference to me. I simply agree that financial 666 prosperity is no true inidcation of righteousness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-91848186057087233102009-01-15T16:03:00.000-06:002009-01-15T16:03:00.000-06:00Yes, that was my part. It was used as a contrast t...Yes, that was my part. It was used as a contrast to the part about opposition not making something true. I say it because there are surely people who really do think they are right because of prosperity. <BR/><BR/>Again, I didn't refer to the Joe Smith part because I think it is wrong per se, it was just odd the way I read it. If BHodges is right, then I misunderstood the context it was being used in.<BR/><BR/>Of course this is a place for free exchange of ideas, but you seem to refer to me considering you an apostate.Evgeniihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05787950777870804904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-77762258443518834112009-01-15T15:56:00.000-06:002009-01-15T15:56:00.000-06:00Just to be clear I didn't say the bit about the mo...Just to be clear I didn't say the bit about the money, that was Hans.BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-11561832517289934492009-01-15T15:53:00.000-06:002009-01-15T15:53:00.000-06:00I don't have a persecution complex hope your not f...I don't have a persecution complex hope your not feeling that way this forum is merely an exchange of opinion- simply an exchange.<BR/><BR/>Relatives of mine who have dined with Thomas Monson call him Tommy and they're just as upstanding as I am.<BR/><BR/>I don't expect that any of my words will change anyones mind- they shouldn't- I'll use mine, other should use theirs.<BR/><BR/>Opposition is not intended to make religion true neither does ease. Opposition can only give an individual the experience of contrast. The reason for us all being here on this mortal earth in the first place.<BR/><BR/>Hodges last comment of financial success not being a true indication of righteousness is right on the 666/$$$! LOL That's great sensible use of your noggin. I'm having fun. :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-20271353919934210852009-01-15T15:33:00.000-06:002009-01-15T15:33:00.000-06:00Sorry, that will look out of place but I accidenta...Sorry, that will look out of place but I accidentally deleted my comment and had to place it back. It will make the last few comments a little out of place. <BR/><BR/>I agree, opposition does not a true religion make. Just as (financial) prosperity is not a true indication of righteousness.Evgeniihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05787950777870804904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-52878611307505593022009-01-15T15:31:00.001-06:002009-01-15T15:31:00.001-06:00In other words, you mean me. Again, the persecutio...In other words, you mean me. Again, the persecution is strong with you young padawan, but you will soon get over it. <BR/><BR/>The Book of Mormon phrases you quote cut both ways. Odd that you say you are/were a life long member and still believe in the BoM but you refer to Joseph Smith as Joe Smith. Not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but it's not something that people affiliated with the LDS religious tradition would say. It's usually how his enemies termed him. <BR/><BR/>Mel, D&C 28 which now comprises the revelation concerning Hiram Page was in the original Book of Commandments. While it is feasible that it could have been changed from 1830 when it was given, to a few years later when published in Kirtland, that may be going out on a limb. Additionally, you say that Joseph wasn't commanded to restore a church in the BoC but D&C 20 (now) was included as D&C 24 (sorry if I am off, but I think it is 24). I would call that pretty explicit.Evgeniihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05787950777870804904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-46655477557239648032009-01-15T15:31:00.000-06:002009-01-15T15:31:00.000-06:00I'm pretty sure the "Joe Smith" thing was meant as...I'm pretty sure the "Joe Smith" thing was meant as a parallel to people making fun of or disrespecting Nemelka, not that she would actually call the prophet "Joe Smith" herself. She was essentially saying "as people disbelieved Joseph Smith, so they disbelieve Nemelka."<BR/><BR/>This, however, is a fallacy; opposition is not evidence of the truthfulness of the opposed.BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-61079292255266294122009-01-15T15:23:00.000-06:002009-01-15T15:23:00.000-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Evgeniihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05787950777870804904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-35047654477703213322009-01-15T15:22:00.000-06:002009-01-15T15:22:00.000-06:00It could sensibly be that the men don't have time ...It could sensibly be that the men don't have time to post a such forums as these because they are simply busy at work. Who can say. As for me, I have some leisure time for this activity at my disposal.<BR/><BR/>Again Hodges no personal accusation was intended.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-62282650735179466092009-01-15T15:16:00.000-06:002009-01-15T15:16:00.000-06:00For the sake of clarity my comments regarding apo...For the sake of clarity my comments regarding apostates or apostasy weren't directed at Hodges in particular but for others bringing the subject up in their post content.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-70507567063471094932009-01-15T15:04:00.000-06:002009-01-15T15:04:00.000-06:00Ah, that does provide some examples, thanks. I've ...Ah, that does provide some examples, thanks. I've simply only seen women responding to internet discussions like this so I was curious. <BR/><BR/>(I'm not sure why you turned my question into an accusation directed presumably at me, I was just asking a question.)BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-43795292184175991882009-01-15T14:56:00.000-06:002009-01-15T14:56:00.000-06:00Dear Hodges,There are as many if not more men than...Dear Hodges,<BR/><BR/>There are as many if not more men than women, as far as I have seen at the occasional symposium and anyone is able to visit thesealedportion.com and click on the personal stories of some of those men and women and see themselves. From what I have read there I'd hardly say they were apostates. If merely not attending meetings makes a person apostate then the group of individuals who approached Alma when they were kicked out of their synogogue for their coarse apparel must qualify as apostates for believing Alma's words that "it is well that ye are cast out of your synogogues that ye may be humble and that ye may learn wisdom."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-90058976548111374862009-01-15T14:30:00.000-06:002009-01-15T14:30:00.000-06:00I hesitate to ask this question, I really shouldn'...I hesitate to ask this question, I really shouldn't, but I have only met female followers of Nemelka. I state this as an observation. Are there many guys who follow his sealed portion?BHodgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01751807169882645742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-78443138960829031642009-01-15T14:20:00.000-06:002009-01-15T14:20:00.000-06:00Born and raised LDS, have held just about every ca...Born and raised LDS, have held just about every calling a woman can hold in the church from prmary to seminary. I also believe the Sealed Poriton of the Book of Mormon The Final Testament of Jesus Christ has been translated see thesealedportion.com I don't give a rip about Nemelka, what he's done, the life experiences he's had or the fact that he doesn't do white shirts, coloful ties or dark suits. I can dismiss whatever qualities people may point out that in their opinion disqualify him to accomplish the translation in the same way I can dismiss Joe Smith's many potenital disqualifications. For the simple reason that the message will always be More Important than the messenger. <BR/><BR/>How will a reasonable individual ever know if a message is true or not without looking at it. How can a person know if a fruit is good without tasting it or be healed from the serpents sting without looking at the staff. I've enjoyed all the esoteric or essenital ordinances the church offers and now I get to have my cake and eat it too! <BR/><BR/>I have the enitre Book of Mormon including a retranslation of the 116 pages that were lost-the Book of Lehi- wow was that a page turner! A complete explanation of the Book of Revelation and complete explanation of the whole symbolic temple endowment. It's the best of both worlds. Most of these books are available to read free online or to purchase a personal copy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-91270205185547458922009-01-15T03:37:00.000-06:002009-01-15T03:37:00.000-06:00As for Hiram Page, I only had time to briefly look...As for Hiram Page, I only had time to briefly look at his info on the internet so I cannot comment on it. But I do not history was changed even in your D & C(just like the Bible history).<BR/><BR/>If you'd go to the original Book of Commandments you would find that JSmith was told not to start a church.<BR/><BR/>But again, JSmith was not in any "ecclesiatical lines" (sorry about sp)<BR/><BR/>Have you googled David Whitmer's "Address to Believers".<BR/><BR/>I think you'll find it rather interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com