tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post7082442190487247844..comments2023-11-05T04:29:15.728-06:00Comments on The Seer Stone: Who Had a Urim and Thummim?Evgeniihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05787950777870804904noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-34343583987886095212021-07-11T23:47:04.754-05:002021-07-11T23:47:04.754-05:00I find the 'seer stone' translation belief...I find the 'seer stone' translation belief interesting. In fact, the method doesn't describe 'translation' at all, but mere dictation. There is not a single first-hand witness who participated in the translation process of the Book of Mormon who ever mentioned or described using a seer stone for actual translation. All first-hand witnesses describe using the Urim and Thummim. All claims of using a seer stone come from church enemies or those who fell away or became apostate. I've not yet found anyone who can satisfactorily explain - if a seer stone was used with no need for the plates, why were the Urim and Thummim and plates preserved at all, through so much hardship over so many centuries? The logic doesn't add up, nor is such a story supported by those who actually took part in the translation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-22451792595967996462020-02-05T11:45:25.188-06:002020-02-05T11:45:25.188-06:00hey folks there is only one Bible the holy Bible t...hey folks there is only one Bible the holy Bible there is only one Jesus Christ holy Spirit and God the Trinity anything else is fakeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12645370632270787671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-59136686508342650692013-03-04T23:12:15.874-06:002013-03-04T23:12:15.874-06:00Read The Alchemist My Friend. Read The Alchemist My Friend. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-4726475262300073552013-03-04T23:10:37.617-06:002013-03-04T23:10:37.617-06:00How do I know which One is YES and Which one is NO...How do I know which One is YES and Which one is NO? Is White Yes and Black No? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-87429955634652097052013-01-17T11:30:23.993-06:002013-01-17T11:30:23.993-06:00I have very much enjoyed your thoughts Jeremy. Jus...I have very much enjoyed your thoughts Jeremy. Just a thought of mine...I wonder if we can truly say that the righteous spoken of in 4th Nephi had these stones simply based upon their righteousness. They were akin to those in the city of Enoch. They at least lived in a Zionistic state. Did they need them? I dunno. Just a thought. They may have. They may not have. Any other thoughts?<br /><br />Also, I can't remember where I read this, but Joseph Smith said that eventually a prophet would become so in tune with the Spirit of the Lord, that they would no longer need to use the items provided by the Lord. That makes sense to me. Do you remember anything about him saying that? <br /><br />I am LDS and hold the Melchizedek Priesthood. Just wanted to clarify that. These are just thoughts of mine. Wanting to know what ya thought.<br /><br />To all of those of our friends who believe that this information cannot be correct, or that Joseph Smith could not be a prophet, I want you to know that I know that he was, and is as sure as I know that Peter was an apostle, or that Moses and Abraham and Adam and the rest were prophets. I know it in my heart through the prayers that I have prayed. Joseph Smith was simply a prophet of God, as were they. He was chosen by the Lord to usher in the restoration of His gospel. I believe this. I am aware that you may not, but I would invite each of you to ask the Lord if this be true for yourselves. I ask you, how do you know that there is a God? How do you know that Abraham or Noah, or Isaiah or John or Paul were real, and that they truly represented the Lord. How do you know that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior? Think about it. Pray about it. I believe that you do know these great prophets and apostles were who they say they were, and whom others testified they were. I testify they were, and also that Joseph Smith was, and Brigham Young was all the way down to our living prophet today, Thomas S. Monson. I say this with the love of my heart that the Lord has filled me with. I cannot deny it, and I know it as surely as I know that I exist or that our Father in Heaven and His son Jesus Christ our Lord are real. I know it through the Spirit which He sent. I just wanted to throw that out there as I felt the Spirit to do so, not because I am a Mormon who needs to bear allegiance to some guy named Joseph Smith, and that I am fooled so I must bear my testimony. All of the prophets and disciples bore the same witness as I do. As a follower and believer of Christ, I do that same thing. Mine is a simple testimony. Love ya.<br /><br />My name is Christian by the way. Hehe. I am glad my mom and dad named me that. =)<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10097918127750937492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-5526649280980931102012-03-08T19:53:15.627-06:002012-03-08T19:53:15.627-06:00these comments are sad...you all have no idea what...these comments are sad...you all have no idea what they really were, Smith's lies still live cause you really don't let the Bible tell you what it means, you twist it to fit Smiths falsehood. Try reading Peters sermon in Early Acts, what can you all add to it?<br />NOTHINGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-61650533297779965352011-10-15T01:16:15.191-05:002011-10-15T01:16:15.191-05:00A good article has been written about seer stones ...A good article has been written about seer stones and interpreters by<br />Steven D. Ricks.<br /><br />http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=13Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-4829094521304141162011-09-16T18:52:44.904-05:002011-09-16T18:52:44.904-05:00This is a good link for anyone wondering about how...This is a good link for anyone wondering about how the Book of Mormon was Translated with the Urim and Thummin. <br />http://lds.org/ensign/1977/09/by-the-gift-and-power-of-god?lang=eng#footnote32-03087_000_021Jarom Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07352697975651086004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-7981293509917520992011-09-12T17:15:57.624-05:002011-09-12T17:15:57.624-05:00the urim and tummin is bestowed by god upon the fo...the urim and tummin is bestowed by god upon the foreheads of the children of the light so they can recieve his command directly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-74362176412180529852011-06-23T14:12:58.670-05:002011-06-23T14:12:58.670-05:00Rob Sullivan, one might ask why John the Revelator...Rob Sullivan, one might ask why John the Revelator spoke of holy beings in the future tense receiving white stones of revelation.Cliffordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14078849951764075139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-84429110746355258162011-03-16T12:55:09.379-05:002011-03-16T12:55:09.379-05:00I'm intrigued, Anon. Why were there 9 leaves ...I'm intrigued, Anon. Why were there 9 leaves on the apron originally? Any references?Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13268015210205721725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-26051564298102344882011-03-13T05:48:42.463-05:002011-03-13T05:48:42.463-05:00Rob Sullivan, I am simply amazined at that comment...Rob Sullivan, I am simply amazined at that comment of yours. Who are you to decide whether we need "stones" or not?<br /><br />Do have any idea why there were originally 9 leaves on the temple apron? <br /><br />Go do some research, find older and newer aprons and start paying attention how many leaves are on each one and THEN maybe that will be a BIG CLUE to you why we DO NEED "STONES".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-30408228760498849942011-03-05T04:50:19.769-06:002011-03-05T04:50:19.769-06:00There is no longer a need for stones. There wasn&...There is no longer a need for stones. There wasn't in Joseph Smith's day as well. Jesus promised us the Holy Spirit that will guide us unto all truth. When we abide in Him and He in us, we find that we are the temple of the Holy Ghost and interpretation of tongues is manifested by Him. Him alone. To be deceived and deceive others in this area is extremely dangerous.Rob Sullivannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-85747340360934805582011-01-28T09:27:31.734-06:002011-01-28T09:27:31.734-06:00Scriptures are "Urims and Thummims." Usi...Scriptures are "Urims and Thummims." Using them, I have gained insights into the care of patients in my medical practice. Those keeping their covenant (D&C 20:77) will be greatly blessed in having truth and light to guide them in today's world of deception.Fullernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-36963294737950687232010-03-25T14:54:40.769-05:002010-03-25T14:54:40.769-05:00Nice find, Ryan. I now recall reading articles in...Nice find, Ryan. I now recall reading articles indicating that Noah likely used the U&T to receive revelation regarding the ark and such. I guess I never saw that it was Orson Pratt that conceived of such an idea.<br /><br />Regarding Joseph's seer stone(s), I invite you to read my previous post:<br /><br />http://theseerstone.blogspot.com/2009/09/gazelems-seer-stones.htmlJeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13268015210205721725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1938111942632962223.post-20701626869254257672010-03-24T22:56:51.634-05:002010-03-24T22:56:51.634-05:00Very well done and very thorough, Jeremy. Orson Pr...Very well done and very thorough, Jeremy. Orson Pratt also indicated that Noah had a Urim and Thummim (Journal of Discourses, 16:50). And of course, the "seer stone" which Joseph had, apart from the Urim & Thummim, by which he translated much of the Book of Mormon, is another fascinating item.Ryanhttp://loyaltotheword.synthasite.com/noreply@blogger.com